US$789,000,000,000 etc. US$600,000,000,000, and finding a way to heal the past and the present

Posted by Benjamin on: 02.13.2009 /

  Whis week the news of the passage of the $US 789 Billion Dollar “Stimulus Packge” approved by the U.S. government reminded me of something that’s kind of been out of my mind since Obama took office.  Do you remember this counter from Costofwar.com?

Yeah. That first big number in the title of this post reminded me of that second big number. And also of some other numbers I haven’t thought about lately–like the ongoing death toll in Iraq

Lily Hamourtziadou writes in her This Week In Iraq column:

Both the Americans and the Iraqis need to hold those responsible for the deaths of thousands of people accountable. In America and in Iraq, those who dropped bombs on innocent civilians, those who planted roadside bombs, those who placed bombs in markets, those who kidnapped and tortured to death people from the ‘other side’… all those killers should be brought to justice. For the deaths of nearly 100,000 Iraqi civilians. For the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers. For those who are still meeting violent deaths.

As President Obama takes office, there is wide-spread optimism, there is hope that the old way of seeing the world in good/evil terms and the old readiness to use military force are a thing of the past. But not everything can be a thing of the past –the past and its ghosts can never go away until the dead, and all those to whom they mattered, get the justice and the closure they deserve.

One wonders as Obama leads the U.S. to move out of Iraq over the next 2 years (assuming this happens) what the aftermath will be in the next 5, 10, 50 years? How is Vietnam doing today, some 34 years after the U.S. left there? How *would* they be doing, if the U.S. had never gone into Southeast Asia? How many kids in Laos died last year from UXO left by our military back then? Does it mean anything that 87 people were violently killed in Iraq this week by the use of bombs and guns and so forth, including an 8 year old killed by U.S. gunfire? How does one think about that and at the same time think about our government spending over a trillion dollars on an “economic bailout”. I can’t wrap my head around these numbers–any of them. They seem to lose all meaning in their scale or in their horror, or both.

Did the U.S. ever apologize for the 2-4 million civilian deaths during the Vietnam War? Would there be any point to such an apology?

One wonders if there ought not be some sort of thing here in the U.S. modeled on South Africa’s truth and reconciliation commission. Something, perhaps, that Vietnam vets could take part in, as well as Iraq War vets. As well as the politicians who sent them. As well as those of us who more or less stood by, spending our US$45,000 per person per year.

Maybe we should just agree to spend all the money intended for an “economic bailout” on helping the 2 billion people in the world who live on $2 a day or less, and let the chips fall where they may here in our economy.  Or maybe, as Martin points out, collapse is inevitable, and thus the sooner the better.  Do empires fall partially because the weight of their sins becomes too great?

In the midst of that long string of questions, I wonder what you, or I, have done to help someone out today? And whether the accumulation of the smallish answers to that smallish question compares at all, in terms of weightiness, to the answers to all those previous questions?

Your thoughts?

7 Responses to "US$789,000,000,000 etc. US$600,000,000,000, and finding a way to heal the past and the present"

  • Comment by: Martin Gugino

    1 02/13/09 10:17 PM | Comment Link |

    Estimates of the cost of the war in Iraq vary widely, possibly because some of the costs are secret, possibly because some of the accounting does not add the expected future cost of health care for injuries already sustained. Joe Stiglitz has co-authored the book “The Three Trillion Dollar War”, referring to Iraq. I have not read the book, but I trust him.

    The National Priorities Project, whose number you cite above, explains its methods here. It is counting up to 656 billion for march 2009, which is the total of the congressional off-budget authorizations so far. Since half of the defense budget is ‘black’, that is being missed, as is future costs of care, and everything else.
    Veterans’ care alone is estimated at 600 billion.

    My thoughts? This country is evil; the evil empire. Has feet that run to do evil.

  • Comment by: Martin Gugino

    2 02/13/09 10:59 PM | Comment Link |

    Proverbs 6

    16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
    17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil,
    19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

    How many do you count?

  • Comment by: Martin Gugino

    3 02/14/09 6:30 AM | Comment Link |

    Which is more pagan:
    1. monkey worship
    2. money worship
    Hare Rama

  • Comment by: Benjamin

    4 02/15/09 12:17 AM | Comment Link |

    Martin,

    I like the story from Ram Dass about the dog and the chicks and the ten rupee note.

  • Comment by: Benjamin

    5 02/15/09 12:19 AM | Comment Link |

    Doesn’t it all start to lose meaning when one gets to the trillions? one trillion. three trillion. I have absolutely no idea what these words mean. I have no way to approach it. I can tell you things about them mathematically, but when we are talking about dollars, I’m just lost.

  • Comment by: Martin Gugino

    6 02/15/09 9:57 PM | Comment Link |

    Funny you should mention that.
    Here is an example of a trillion:

    1) a thousand seconds ago
    is 16.6 minutes ago
    2) a million seconds ago
    is 11 days ago
    3) a billion seconds ago
    is 32 years ago
    4) a trillion seconds ago
    is 30,000 BC
    :-)

  • Comment by: Benjamin

    7 02/16/09 12:27 PM | Comment Link |

    Martin,

    Excellent. That’s kind of kewl. if time is money, then ….