doubting

Posted by Joe on: 02.17.2009 /

I wrote this in August 2007, re-read it recently and liked it.

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I have recently been spending time with a bunch of doubters. They generally sound far more sane than most Christians I know.

Generalising hopelessly, most doubters seem to have started as particularly enthusiastic Christians - who were then abused by their church or individuals in the church. This then led to them questioning whether any of it is helpful or just bunk. Some seem to be so scarred by their experiences of abuse that they find it extremely difficult to move on with their lives, which is very unfortunate.

I just want to say a couple of things to any of them that happen to be passing here:

1. I’m really sorry. I mean it.
2. I am so sorry, I am almost lost for words.
3. You are absolutely right about most of what you say about the church.
4. You are absolutely right about most of your criticisms of theology.

If it is any comfort (and I appreciate it probably isn’t) I’d say that church is spectacularly bad at communicating with people who have doubts and even people who ask too many difficult questions.

For those of us who continue to wear the badge of Christian or Christ-follower, we need to listen very carefully to these people as they have something very important to say to us. First, they tell us that most of our behaviour is a lie - and they are right. Second they say that most of our beliefs are a lie - and they are right. The difference between them and us is that they are prepared to speak the truth and we are not.

We need to collectively get over ourselves. The basis of Christianity is that unless there is a God of Love, the universe and existance is ultimately meaningless. When the Christ came, he did not reward those with great faith and fantastic theology. He lifted up those with little faith, healed those who did not commit their lives to him, scuppered those who thought they were correct. If we condemn those who are honest enough to speak their doubts, we condemn those who Christ rewarded. Remember, the first disciples were fishermen who knew nothing of heaven, hell or calvinism. The only person Christ told would be in heaven was a murderer dying on a cross.

Yesterday, I spent time arguing with my friends in church. Unusually, they were not debating with me, but arguing about such things as their experiences of the best city schools and whether their sons were suited to go to medical or law school and I was being a confused and bemused umpire. I’m sorry, whilst those things are not bad in themselves, do we not have some kind of twisted values when we are extremely concerned about our kids and their future ability to make money - yet couldn’t give a toss about anyone else around us?

Is christianity in the final analysis simply a self advancement project for us and for our children?

Have we even read this text we claim to hold? Is it possible that we are so familiar with it that we have stopped listening in any case?

For example, yesterday the passage was about spies and Rahab. The prostitute. Someone who obviously showed tremendous faith because she helped enemies escape.

OK call me a cynic here, but there are a few things we never talked about in sunday school. First, why exactly were the oh-so-holy spies of Israel hanging out with a prostitute?

Let me spell the options out in simple language:

1. Rahab could have been wandering around town and noticed a couple of very attractive young men who clearly shone with the glory of the living God. Knowing in her heart for the first time the light that only comes from the Holy Spirit, she immediately understood that these men were agents of God, and so she should help them escape from the evil city and so gave them a leg-up over the city walls. Or.

2. She was a prostitute. They met her at a brothel. In the course of her profession, she came to appreciate that these men were Israelites (which come to think of it might have been one of the few ways to tell) and also saw how she was putting herself in danger, so quickly dispatched the men hoping that she had been able to cobble together some kind of promise of protection for the coming invasion.

Two options. The first requires a considerable flight of fancy and accepting things that the text does not say. The second accepts only the text at its word and the possibility that as she was a prostitute, she might have actually been having sex with men for money.

Even if that is not the case (and I’d submit that my theory is far more likely than the sunday school version), are we really happy with the idea that we’re teaching our children it is prefectly OK and A1 to betray your country on the basis of meeting a couple of hunks who say they are from God? That it is prefectly OK to pick up a donkey bone, go crazy and kill a load of random people? Excuse me?

If Samson is an example of faith and a hero of belief in Yweh, then I want nothing to do with it, and nor should anyone else who has a brain inside their head. He was a dangerous psychopath.

Quite what it says about Christians who read this stuff, watch extreme movies like The Passion of The Christ and then have the gall to tell other people about the dangers of extreme violence in books and movies is beyond my understanding.

Finally, I want to say this.

Recently I have been offered two versions of Christianity. The first, as I have said above, is a kind of personal development project. Get right with God, do the right things in the right places and suddenly you will have peace and joy and frankly, you’ll float around like you are on drugs. If anyone asks you to do anything - you can’t man, cos you have like heavenly stuff to get on with. There are more worship events, prayer meetings and groovy things to be doing.

The second is a religion of respectibility. What matters is the way we look, the way the building looks, the way that we are seen by our community, how often we are in the local newspaper, whether we can manage to get our kids into the ‘right’ schools and the ‘right’ universities.

I want to make it clear that neither of these have anything at all to do with the Gospel of Christ. Null, nothing, zero. What matters is not whether we look good or feel good about ourselves. What matters is whether we are serving those in need in our community. Either we are - and are humbly following the example of the one we claim as saviour - or we are not. Jesus was absolutely clear about that.

In a number of ways we are far from the gospel we mouth. We are selfish, not selfless. We are concerned with our bodies and looks instead of dying to self. We are unprepared to put ourselves in harms way rather than running towards danger. We do not have love for our neighbour.

It is therefore no surprise when Christians look in the mirror and dislike what they see.

10 Responses to "doubting"

  • Comment by: Andy

    1 02/17/09 4:47 AM | Comment Link |

    I think we don’t know the love of God, have no idea of his grace, and so we settle for less. We pretend, rationalize, develop ourselves, and sometimes even work hard for the poor out of fear and self. I just want to say we don’t need guilt or obligation (been there, done that); we need to know the reality of this love that we talk about. Then service will be an expression of pure joy, and sacrifice will be possible because we’re in His care even then.

    Plus, we need to meet the poor and excluded and learn that we are connected. The idea that we will meet Christ in such relationships (Jesus’ idea) is not a moral lesson but reality.

  • Comment by: Joe

    2 02/17/09 5:24 AM | Comment Link |

    Andy, thanks for commenting.

    I think God’s love is both unconditional and conditional.

    And I believe the ‘Joy of the Lord’ is overrated.

    And I think guilt, whilst it can be paralysing, is something we should experience if we are responsible for our actions.

    We should meet the poor because he told us to.

  • Comment by: Andy

    3 02/21/09 5:42 AM | Comment Link |

    Hey, I was just reading my comment and realized I wrote it.

    I wanted to ask you to look at my current and upcoming posts and perhaps put up a link or two. I just returned from an eye-opening time in Cambodia and have reflections and photos that I’m excited to share.

    Always enjoying keeping up with your blog here.

  • Comment by: Andy

    4 02/21/09 5:59 AM | Comment Link |

    Ah, now I see I should respond to your comment.

    Honestly, as you can tell, I have a different view. I don’t like the word “should” (and guilt and obligation) because I don’t think those motivators are effective. So using them ultimately hurts the cause I feel passionately about. I’ve heard so many preachers and speakers telling people to do things because they “should.” Everyone nods their heads and may try to do something, but it doesn’t last and the change is not deep.

    I can understand the frustration that people don’t change (or that I myself seem stuck), and I often want to yell at people and kick them (or myself) into action. But the more I go this route, the further I move away from love toward something else (trying to control others and trying to control myself through sheer effort).

    Here’s another way to say it. Real change requires surrender, which is exactly what I don’t do is someone (or myself) is trying to force or compel me to do something.

  • Comment by: Joe

    5 02/22/09 3:56 AM | Comment Link |

    Andy - will certainly have a look around your blog.

    And we can handle disagreement here.

    I’d agree there is a spectrum and I’d agree that people don’t like being told what to do and being made to feel guilty. But this isn’t really my point - I’m not saying they should take my word for it, they should read their own bibles and take to heart what it says.

    I’m really not trying to force anyone to surrender, just suggesting that when they do not, they have nothing to do with Christianity or Jesus of Nazareth.

  • Comment by: Andy

    6 02/22/09 6:08 AM | Comment Link |

    I think you and I agree that many, many people who call themselves Christians don’t appear to know or follow Jesus.

    This no longer shocks or surprises me, and it’s not something I often think about. Most of the people I spend my time with are not Christians. I enjoy them. I hope some will begin to follow Jesus without getting distracted by religion and religious pretensions.

    I think the best thing I can do for those who mistakenly call themselves followers of Jesus is to live that out authentically. When the real thing appears, delusions and pretending are exposed.

  • Comment by: joe

    7 02/23/09 4:16 PM | Comment Link |

    Andy, you are a very remarkable person, I am not worthy to sit at your feet.

  • Comment by: Andy

    8 02/23/09 8:46 PM | Comment Link |

    No, no, no.

    The very best I can say of myself is that I’ve met and learned from some amazing people. I want to be more like them, and I want to know Christ.

    The day to day reality is that I’m self-centered, distracted, living in relative comfort, and have a long way to go. Before my last trip to Cambodia I spent $1000 on a camera lens… God’s call to me, like to everyone else, is to lose my life. But have I done that yet?

    We’re all on a journey. It’s a good one, and I would love to walk it with you or anyone else.

  • Comment by: Martin Gugino

    9 02/24/09 9:50 AM | Comment Link |

    You have seen the about video in the new tab, “the practicing church”? He uses a nice term “church alumni” in place of your term “doubters”, as a segment of the “outsiders” aka “the lost”. It is a charming video, although a comment of a friend of mine was, for how long has it been remarkable to “practice” Christianity? Jesus just phoned and he wants his church back.

  • Comment by: Rahab Klingensmith

    10 03/13/09 8:47 PM | Comment Link |

    Some of our neighbors of the “Love characteristics of thy neighbor fall prey unfortunately into a category of Evil to its fullest for forms”…..not being sure of where we even came up with this word…”thy Neighbor”-The Bible?…when we could be uphoarding Evil…..evil men of church foundations who are far from living the Holy Scripture at all themselves…let alone preaching, and teaching it from the pulpit before many who Know nothing much at all of God–is He real they question?…..sad….scary…..real….and very unfortunate this is. The challenges we face today in the Christian Living of falsenesses, truth–lest they never be a fake? Hurts and doubters are those who mightly saw reality for what it truely was…..sad and frightened with horror. So, we hang our heads and pray for those abused from the churches organizational form of disasster pulling the innoccent fallen sinners actually further away from God….more than ever before, so I am learning….daily at my occupation this seems–sick this Christian hypocritical thing….Oh….I work for a Bank, and Not a hypocritical church of falseness and phony devotion of muddy waters and hypocrisy! “Rahab”